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Postby mfnick » 08 Oct 2008, 11:16

Well from the demo I think its quite a big improvement.

I bought 6 on 360 & it was awful compared to the PS2 version, the same with 2008. The PS2 verions of these just played faster & more fluid than the current gen counter parts.

But the demo for this just felt right. Its a major step forward IMO. The faster passes & extra weight seem like small changes but they add significantly to the gameplay. Same with the shooting, its much more controlable & precise than before. The control over the players feels loads better too & the new first touch animations & dribbling with skilled players adds extra control & is handled brilliantly.

I think I may finaly pick the current gen version over the PS2 one this time. Got nothing but good vibes from the demo.
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Postby ensabahnur » 08 Oct 2008, 11:23

christ the mag that this article came from was out over a week ago.
after playing the demo of PES i'm glad i've purchased fifa this year. being a old die-hard PES fan the games recent slump since moving to this gens machines has just ruined the game for me, last years version being the worst offender. the online components were better in the original xbox version and the PS3 one last year was a jittery mess. i cannot stress how much fifa has improved this year with solid shooting and all round better play. it feels like a real game of football. to any other diehard PES fans, don't just do the usual and say its fifa and it'll be the same old shite because thats what konami have been doing for the last few years. yes i know that they've moved the 360 spin and drag back onto the d-pad and the be a legend mode is in it now but give fifa a good try and you'll never look back. that is unless konami do something really special and pull they're finger out there arses. but going by the demo that doesn't look likely.
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Postby mfnick » 08 Oct 2008, 11:33

But isnt the new FIFA getting praise because it now plays like PES?

So why not stick with PES as its still improved (if only slightly in some peoples opinion) & still plays better than FIFA?

It seems PES is getting marked down because it hasnt changed much, but just because FIFA now plays like it - so is basicaly the same - FIFA now gets praised.
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Postby Zidano » 08 Oct 2008, 11:40

I have been a PES fan ever since the first edition and hadn't bought a Fifa game since 2003. I took a bit of a gamble with Fifa 08 and would say that I played that more than PES2008 - especially online.

This year, with Fifa 09 really impressing me, I don't intend to pick up PES until it drops down in price. It hasn't appeared to change for a while so I don't feel like I should purchase at full price when they've hardly made any improvements.

I've played the demo a few times now and cannot say that I'm impressed. The sound effects annoy me just as much as the commentary now, which is saying something.
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Postby Druss » 08 Oct 2008, 11:48

Too right mfnick! and FIFA is still no where near as solid to play.
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Postby nologo » 08 Oct 2008, 11:49

imo, FIFA 09 is was such a huge disappointment...ppl barked on about how insanely good it is!blah blah blah..and the fact of the matter..its same old same old (again)..a slightly polished turd attempting to be PES. pes 09 feels fantastic.. (although god only knows why on earth they wud change the skill controls?) it reminds me of the glory days of pes on ps2! and finally they have fixed the replays!wh00t!
this preview is total rubbish...basically saying fifa is now better because its like pes?no...fifa still sucks and modelling still feels like they dressed apes in 3D motion capture suitsand said "Chase that ball".

However, i'm tempted to delay purchasing pes09...in favour for winning eleven 09 (version 2+)..as i'm sure the old pes fans know..the japanese release several versions of the same game but with tweaks etc..and i often find NSTC games are better..
EDIT: plus i prefer japanese commentary for some strange reason (not that i understand it like lol)..but when playing the game over and over again..i hate hearing english commentary team repeat them same crap lol
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Postby Leders » 08 Oct 2008, 11:54

I tried to like the demo, but as much as i played it i thought something was missing, I will still be buying it, but only after i find out if the online isn't gimped, because lets face it, last years was a write off.

I have plumped for a ps3 copy of Fifa 09 and find it a pretty decent kick around, the online works, it looks decent, and as people have said it plays like pro evo. So what we have is the offspring of the best looking football game out there and the best football game (IMO - not everyone's). It's certainly come on leaps and bounds.

I will hold off my final verdict untill i have played the full Pro Evo 2009, i am hoping that the demo was an old build with the sounds just tagged on to send it out, rather than being fully representative.

I was hoping Pro Evo 2009 would be the built from the ground up game us pro evo fans wanted, but from what the demo showed its everything but.
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Postby ensabahnur » 08 Oct 2008, 12:10

mfnick wrote:But isnt the new FIFA getting praise because it now plays like PES?

So why not stick with PES as its still improved (if only slightly in some peoples opinion) & still plays better than FIFA?

It seems PES is getting marked down because it hasnt changed much, but just because FIFA now plays like it - so is basicaly the same - FIFA now gets praised.
it plays like PES without the faults. through balls actually go where you want them, unlike PES and you can pass a ball to the player next to you. if you tried that in pES you'd end up losing the ball. plus the pitch in fifa is bigger and you seem to have a bit more space to do something with the ball.
as i said i've been playing PES since the ISS days and every year the games had the same faults and i cannot play more than 2 games of it a night or i'd end up smashing something up. the game just infuriates me now. it may well just be that fifa seems new to me but i cannot remember ever playing over 30 games of PES in one weekend which i managed online in fifa over that weekend past. 4 or 6 would have been my limit before i'd get p**sed off with passes not going where i wanted them in PES. plus the online aspect of fifa just runs like a dream, something that konami cannot seem to get right. if they haven't sorted that the legends online mode will just fall flat on its face. fifa runs pretty smooth playing with 10 a side. in the past few years PES has struggled to get a decent 1 v 1 game going.
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Postby wudragon » 08 Oct 2008, 12:11

My solution is to buy something else altogether! I'm totally fed up of footy games now to be perfectly honest. Seriously though, i've been playing footy games on console since Sensible Soccer on the Amiga many moons ago.
The evolution of the great game has failed to evolve in line with the technology available today.
When you see how little these games improve year on year you can surely see my point.
I'm giving up on video game footy until such time as a game appears that totally captures the true spirit and feel of the real game, which will probably never happen!!
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Postby mfnick » 08 Oct 2008, 12:17

nologo wrote:basically saying fifa is now better because its like pes?

Exactly my point. It doesnt make any sense. They say FIFA now plays like PES so its good. But PES plays like a slightly improved version of PES but its bad.

Just because its under a different name they are recommending it more. Im all for boycotting these yearly updated games, especailay ones like PES that are changing so little. But id still rather buy PES of FIFA this time because i'd prefer to play the better game rather than the one thats a surprise because its actualy good for a change.
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Postby shellster2 » 08 Oct 2008, 12:23

I'm with mfnick on this one. the demo fells much better than last years effort. i'll be buying this on release for the 360 (prays it's not sh!t online)
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Postby mfnick » 08 Oct 2008, 12:30

ensabahnur wrote:it plays like PES without the faults. through balls actually go where you want them, unlike PES and you can pass a ball to the player next to you. if you tried that in pES you'd end up losing the ball. plus the pitch in fifa is bigger and you seem to have a bit more space to do something with the ball.


To quote the article though:
Finally, the lofted through-pass is finally a deadly weapon in the right hands, which leads to some breathtaking breakaways


Also the added weight & changes to passes means you can make those passes to the player next to you. Thats these faults sorted. I spotted that myself from the demo.

Admitadely the sound is shite! But thats not the area im interested in.

With your last point, if online is of major importance than FIFA may be better. We dont know yet. But I mostly play this with my mates in the same room 2vs2 so thats not a problem for me. Sure online would be a nice bonus but im not particularly bothered. Especialy seeing as though most of my mates cant afford broadband or to take the 360 online. & if they can, they arent interested in doing it anyway.
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Postby ensabahnur » 08 Oct 2008, 12:39

mfnick wrote:
ensabahnur wrote:it plays like PES without the faults. through balls actually go where you want them, unlike PES and you can pass a ball to the player next to you. if you tried that in pES you'd end up losing the ball. plus the pitch in fifa is bigger and you seem to have a bit more space to do something with the ball.


To quote the article though:
Finally, the lofted through-pass is finally a deadly weapon in the right hands, which leads to some breathtaking breakaways


Also the added weight & changes to passes means you can make those passes to the player next to you. Thats these faults sorted. I spotted that myself from the demo.

Admitadely the sound is shite! But thats not the area im interested in.

With your last point, if online is of major importance than FIFA may be better. We dont know yet. But I mostly play this with my mates in the same room 2vs2 so thats not a problem for me. Sure online would be a nice bonus but im not particularly bothered. Especialy seeing as though most of my mates cant afford broadband or to take the 360 online. & if they can, they arent interested in doing it anyway.
i used to love playing PES6 2 v 2 online with me and my mate in one house and my other mates about 30 miles away. but last year it was hard enough trying a 2 v 2 game in the same house(PS3 version). don't get me wrong, i'd love PES to be good this year, i've been playing it for years. but then its because i've been playing it for years that the last few versions have p**sed me off.
as for the through ball it was the grounded one i was talking about. i've always been able to use the lofted one but trying to send one along the ground has always been like its pre-determined where its going, and its usually not towards where you want it.
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Postby Robm612 » 08 Oct 2008, 12:46

nologo wrote:and modelling still feels like they dressed apes in 3D motion capture suitsand said "Chase that ball".


I actually cant believe this guy, do you play football ever m8, like real life football?!
Im sorry but i've owned both and i bought fifa this year for the specific reason that in pro ev they run like forest f**king gump. The ball still feels locked to each player which results in what looks nothing like football, fifa however with the physics stuff implemented looks like football, balls bounce off players, players stumble when tackled and it isnt just a canned animation. I believe that this preview is utter b*****ks, how can pro ev be the best footballing game when its the easiest game of football ever!, seriously in the 4 minute demo i won 7-0 against the comp on the highest difficulty setting WTF!. In short what im trying to say is that pro ev is for people who dont play football in real life and want to feel like they could be quite good, fifa is for people who play football a lot (4 times a week) and know how the game works and how to create good build up play, end of!
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Postby davidc » 08 Oct 2008, 13:05

..i think the main issue is that at least fifa seems to improve each year , graphically and gameplay wise...where pes seems to be stuck in a time warp.....

personally i like both but just wish pes had the penache of fifa....
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