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Platinum on Japan dev 'decline': 'There are tons of terrible

Postby chamony » 25 Sep 2012, 11:48

so he's quite right to say -
"I don't like it when people lump Japanese games developers all together into one group. Frankly, I think it's a joke. What do these people know?"

but then he goes and says -

"and, in fact, there are tons of terrible Western developers too"

where is this country of western? or have you just done exactly the same thing.... but worse.

I'm not disagreeing with his overall point, Japanese developers aren't all poor, they may have lost there way, but so have a lot of USA, European etc. developers, not many new ideas, new ip's, they seems scared to take risks, its all about the money now days.....
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Postby ensabahnur » 25 Sep 2012, 11:51

Oh yeah there's terrible developers everywhere, the problem with Japanese ones is that some of them still seemed mired in last gen physics and coding. Most of them don't seemed to have embraced the whole networked nature of todays gaming either with the multiplayer side of things sometimes an absolute mess.

Some western dev's just make shite games.
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Postby martinawatson » 25 Sep 2012, 11:57

This all spouts from the time a famous japanese developer at a conference commented that "the Japanese game industry is dying" or something like that, total crap really, the industry as a whole is changing , it may come full circle , or change in another direction, who knows, interesting how one person can influence a large sway of people in a certain way though isnt it.
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Postby Beetle Bum » 25 Sep 2012, 12:16

typical westerners just being chauvistic and racist and bullying just like they did years ago with their empires and it still exists today. The pyscological superiority will not last
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Postby beemoh » 25 Sep 2012, 12:30

>Edge 246, which officially hits newsstands on Thursday, September 27

Presumably it's being sold 'unofficially' by shady dealers ahead of time?
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Re: Platinum on Japan dev 'decline': 'There are tons of terr

Postby Megatrons_Fury » 25 Sep 2012, 12:43

Yes there are bad western developers but overall the jap games development scene is in the toilet.... Outside of their respective country very little sells, check the sales figures!

Platinum and NIS aside the overall level of software quality over the past year or two has been terrible, the problem with jap games is their use of terrible game cameras and awful story telling.

Quick Fox lord omega, attack....... For bluron!!!!....... Really????? Come on now this isnt 1993 anymore. Binary Domain and Mindjack really sum it all up for how bad jap storytelling has got, even Vanquish which is so great to play has the absolute worst story ever.

With the exception of NIS strategy games and stuff like Streetfighter, almost every jap franchise has a better western counterpart, their user interface design is way out of date, graphics engines are nearly a generation behind and online infrastructure is a joke.
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Postby JustOneMoreGo » 25 Sep 2012, 12:55

Megatrons_Fury wrote:Yes there are bad western developers but overall the jap games development scene is in the toilet.... Outside of their respective country very little sells, check the sales figures!



That's more down to western gamers being very reluctant to try anything other than the next shooting game.

While the indie scene is thriving in the west the boxed, full price retail scene has become a tired, un-inspiring sludge of the same old games.

Basically, whether west or east, the games market has hit a wall in terms of creative ideas. Sure there are the odd few thinking outside of the box, but beyond that there's very little of interest out there.
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Postby nb_nmare2 » 25 Sep 2012, 13:06

Beetle Bum wrote:typical westerners just being chauvistic and racist and bullying just like they did years ago with their empires and it still exists today. The pyscological superiority will not last


And lumping all westerners together ISN'T chauvinistic?

Also, racism and xenophobia are very much rampant in Japan too. In fact, from what I've heard it's worse there than in most parts of the west (perhaps excluding the southern United States).
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Postby FishyGinger » 25 Sep 2012, 13:11

Megatrons_Fury wrote:
With the exception of NIS strategy games and stuff like Streetfighter, almost every jap franchise has a better western counterpart, their user interface design is way out of date, graphics engines are nearly a generation behind and online infrastructure is a joke.


Nintendo seems to be doing well for itself. Aren't mario and zelda japanese.
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Postby vulcanraven01 » 25 Sep 2012, 13:19

Been mentioned, but he DID have a point until he did the exact same by lumping 'Western' developers together.
It's not just the 'Westerners', ie the USA in terms of what Japan thinks, but European developers that have really stepped up to the table these last couple of generations.
The problem with Japanese developers isn't the fact that they are 'crap', but because the vast majority of them are still designing their games with the main audience being Japan. That may have worked back in the PS1 days, and then your smash hits also got some good sales worldwide, but these days the bigger gaming audience is Europe and the US.
If you want your games to be modern and have worldwide appeal, then this needs to be the sole audience when on the drawing board stage.
I'm not saying they can't still make games aimed at the Japanese, but if the bigger studios want to stay in the game, then they need to take a good hard look at themselves.
At least studios like Capcom and Platinum realized this early on, and the majority of their games have done well worldwide.
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Postby Caster_Trash » 25 Sep 2012, 13:22

Megatrons_Fury wrote:Yes there are bad western developers but overall the jap games development scene is in the toilet.... Outside of their respective country very little sells, check the sales figures!

Platinum and NIS aside the overall level of software quality over the past year or two has been terrible, the problem with jap games is their use of terrible game cameras and awful story telling.

Quick Fox lord omega, attack....... For bluron!!!!....... Really????? Come on now this isnt 1993 anymore. Binary Domain and Mindjack really sum it all up for how bad jap storytelling has got, even Vanquish which is so great to play has the absolute worst story ever.

With the exception of NIS strategy games and stuff like Streetfighter, almost every jap franchise has a better western counterpart, their user interface design is way out of date, graphics engines are nearly a generation behind and online infrastructure is a joke.


But Binary Domain story is still far better than any of the gears of war games, not that it matters that much.
Hell the campaign mode is probably the best I've played since the second gears.
I've not played mindjack.
The wests engines seem to pack more power which is good for games like farcry 2 and GTA4 but the visuals, notably the characters are still in many cases just passable, most of the time the cast is a set of lifeless arthritic dolls.



nb_nmare2 wrote:
Beetle Bum wrote:typical westerners just being chauvistic and racist and bullying just like they did years ago with their empires and it still exists today. The pyscological superiority will not last


And lumping all westerners together ISN'T chauvinistic?

Also, racism and xenophobia are very much rampant in Japan too. In fact, from what I've heard it's worse there than in most parts of the west (perhaps excluding the southern United States).


Both of you have nothing of value to offer, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Postby WHERESMYMONKEY » 25 Sep 2012, 14:01

Megatrons_Fury wrote:Yes there are bad western developers but overall the jap games development scene is in the toilet.... Outside of their respective country very little sells, check the sales figures!

Platinum and NIS aside the overall level of software quality over the past year or two has been terrible, the problem with jap games is their use of terrible game cameras and awful story telling.

Quick Fox lord omega, attack....... For bluron!!!!....... Really????? Come on now this isnt 1993 anymore. Binary Domain and Mindjack really sum it all up for how bad jap storytelling has got, even Vanquish which is so great to play has the absolute worst story ever.

With the exception of NIS strategy games and stuff like Streetfighter, almost every jap franchise has a better western counterpart, their user interface design is way out of date, graphics engines are nearly a generation behind and online infrastructure is a joke.


Wait. So you're telling me that The legend of zelda games have awful story telling. How about Final Fantasy. MGS although its become a convuluted mess over the years originally had a bloody good one.

I thought Binary Domain had a pretty good story. It was basically Bladerunner with mercs. It's a cultural thing. Its not that japan tell bad stories they just tell them differently and focus on more traditional themes and have a different take on them. THats something the west could do with. An actual cultural identity to its games.Not just hey, lets copy Hollywood.

In general game story telling is pretty dire , It's why when something comes out that does it properly or well we all clamour all over it.

JRPGs are basically there own genre so its just silly to lump them together with western ones. they're fundimentally different.
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Postby WHERESMYMONKEY » 25 Sep 2012, 14:10

nb_nmare2 wrote:
Beetle Bum wrote:typical westerners just being chauvistic and racist and bullying just like they did years ago with their empires and it still exists today. The pyscological superiority will not last


And lumping all westerners together ISN'T chauvinistic?

Also, racism and xenophobia are very much rampant in Japan too. In fact, from what I've heard it's worse there than in most parts of the west (perhaps excluding the southern United States).


No it's jingoistic. Thats the correct term. If we are talking about aggressive support derived from patriotism.

Lumping all Westerners together is something the industry has done to itself and created this insane us and them mentality with japan. The main difference as far as i can derive between Japan and the west in terms of games development is that Japanese games actually have a sense of cultural identity and western games all try to be american regardless of where they come from.

Notable exceptions being Fable and The witcher which were respectively and unmistakebly. British/ Polish.
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Postby StonecoldMC » 25 Sep 2012, 14:13

FishyGinger wrote:
Megatrons_Fury wrote:
With the exception of NIS strategy games and stuff like Streetfighter, almost every jap franchise has a better western counterpart, their user interface design is way out of date, graphics engines are nearly a generation behind and online infrastructure is a joke.


Nintendo seems to be doing well for itself. Aren't mario and zelda japanese.


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Postby rhyfel » 25 Sep 2012, 14:21

platinum games have sold criminally low numbers, games like bayonetta , vanquish are stunning games, gamers are moaning that most games are all the same but when a developer does make a game thats not your boring generic garbage people dont buy them, i'am really looking forward to metal gear rising i just hope it sells the numbers it deserves or it wont be long before the only games you will be able to buy are generic FPS's the odd driving game and yearly updates of fifa and if that happens it will be a bloody shame and there will be know one to blame but ourselves.
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