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Wii 2, Xbox 720, PS4... who needs 'em?

Postby Anarion » 18 Jan 2010, 13:51

PC gamers. Hardware is evolving and Fermi has so much power that it can run circles around current gen consoles.
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Postby gogo65uk » 18 Jan 2010, 14:05

They can but don't I've not played a PC game for last 3-5 years that topped anything on current or last gen consoles. And I've played most. Crysis was pretty but fails when compared to most other shooters for actual gameplay and depth so get off your pc high horse because they simply don't justify the upgrades and haven't for years. Trust me I've spent thousands over the years and feel so let down with PC gaming and still only play Guildwars which would run on a ps2 spec'd pc :lol:
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Postby WHERESMYMONKEY » 18 Jan 2010, 14:20

like the snarky comment at the end about the wii. Way to play to your audience. I agreed with you up untill that point.

But you missed a crutial fact. New Hardware doesn't benefit manufactuers as they sell it for a loss. The reason the current machines are going to stay around longer is becasue they are having trouble keeping the costs of the current systems low and competitive.

Why finanacially cripple yourself further bringin out another machine when you are yet to make a profit on the current ones. The exception to this is obviously the wii, which makes a profit. By that logic Nintendo could easily afford to bring out a new console in the forseeable future. But with the business model not tied to hardware and it still selling like crazy why would they bother.
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Postby roland82 » 18 Jan 2010, 14:33

Console makers [apart from Nintendo] lose money on each box for the first few years of production. The cost of more R&D and better hardware would ridiculous in economic times like these.

Are we really that unhappy will current graphics that we are asking to pay more for a new box and games???

Also game development costs are rocketing out of control now, can you imagine what next gen costs will be. How many developers have been closed recently?
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Postby pmantis » 18 Jan 2010, 15:09

they can all f**k off for a good 5 years. This generation is in for the long haul flight!
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Postby The_KFD_Case » 18 Jan 2010, 15:17

Hm. While I too feel the allure of "get the latest and greatest" syndrome, I often hold back and make sure to do my homework on the matter thereby ensuring that I have at the very least some rudimentary understanding of what I'm buying, what it is capable of/how it measures up to current market standards and what its value for money ratio (i.e. "bang-for-buck") is more or less. The thrill of being an early adopter is tempting yet I value the fruits of my labour (in this case money,) too much to spend it willy nilly once a certain price threshold is breached. I'm still tempted though.... :D

A couple of other things:

1) While one could argue it lies partly in human nature to covet "new shiny stuff", the companies in question have certainly done their part in whipping up a frenzy of consumerism and expectations that "new shiny stuff" will be released every few years and that it is a "must have" since the future lies that way, blah blah.

2) Is the Wii really the most successful console to date? By what criteria? If by profit per unit then I'll believe it however, if we go by total units sold wouldn't that make the PS2 the most successful console to date?
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Postby TykerD3 » 18 Jan 2010, 15:21

i want a new xbox to be shown at E3 in 2011
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Postby Wozzakl » 18 Jan 2010, 15:26

A (proper) DS2 and (proper) PSP2 would be nice, but not new consoles.
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Re: Wii 2, Xbox 720, PS4... who needs 'em?

Postby The_KFD_Case » 18 Jan 2010, 15:26

Anarion wrote:PC gamers. Hardware is evolving and Fermi has so much power that it can run circles around current gen consoles.


You don't need Fermi for that. The previous generation of GPUs on the PC did the same. The gap is increasing though now that Intel's i7 CPUs are out, AMD are working on a six core CPU (I think I read Intel are working on an 8 core CPU), ATI's 58XX and 5970 series, DDR3 as mainstay memory (DDR5 on many of ATI's GPUs), Nvidia's upcoming Fermi line, etc.

Once new consoles are designed and released they may close the gap depending on what sort of price tag and capabilities the developers are looking for (ex. the Wii clearly does not push up-to-date hardware standards). Yet even then by the time the development cycle is complete there will likely be new and faster hardware that can do more available making the consoles somewhat obsolete by the time they hit retail (non-custom made PCs tend to suffer from this as well). It seems to be a cyclical event where every few years (in this case apparently more than just a few years) consoles make a big leap closing the gap with PCs, only to be outpaced once more. Rinse and repeat.
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Postby The_KFD_Case » 18 Jan 2010, 15:33

gogo65uk wrote:They can but don't I've not played a PC game for last 3-5 years that topped anything on current or last gen consoles. And I've played most. Crysis was pretty but fails when compared to most other shooters for actual gameplay and depth so get off your pc high horse because they simply don't justify the upgrades and haven't for years. Trust me I've spent thousands over the years and feel so let down with PC gaming and still only play Guildwars which would run on a ps2 spec'd pc :lol:


As a current PC and console gamer I disagree. It's a myth that it has to cost a fortune to upgrade your PC every time. It depends on how robust your initial system setup was, how much of an early adopter you wish to be, and which parts actually have the most impact on gaming (ex. often upgrading the GPU will have the single greatest impact for gaming purposes). Add to that the fact that PC titles are usually easily 10 quid cheaper a pop (sometimes more) and their pricing often decreases a lot faster than similar console titles over the same period of time. What that means is that with a bit of patience you should be able to even out the costs, perhaps even come out ahead, if you buy a sound gaming PC along with a certain amount of games over a period of say five years once you take in to consideration the other items you need to game on a PC or a console such a monitor, keyboard, mouse, plasma/LCD/OLED TV, controller(s), batteries (rechargeable or otherwise if you use the wireless option), etc.

Oh, and if you like multi-player gaming and use the Xbox 360 that's an additional cost. PC gamers do not have that cost and they do get a comparable, if not superior, online experience thanks in part to things such as dedicated servers, mods, and a far greater customizable game connectivity setup.

What isn't a myth is that more recent PCs (they don't even need to be fully up to date hardware wise) bury the consoles in terms of capability and sheer brute power.
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Postby badgerpog » 18 Jan 2010, 16:34

I doubt that Microsoft would call their next machine the 720.
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Postby svd_grasshopper » 18 Jan 2010, 16:36

the graphical leap wouldnt be worth the money for a new console just now. wouldnt be anything like the leap that ps1 to ps2 was (or ps2 to ps3).

simple as that. waiting another few years and the leap will be major.

despite pc boffins arguements, a high pc isnt pure miles better than the two HD consoles out just now - the games just look a more polished - not totally different beasts.

and thats what a generational gap should provide.
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Re: Wii 2, Xbox 720, PS4... who needs 'em?

Postby Sleepaphobic » 18 Jan 2010, 16:37

The_KFD_Case wrote:
Anarion wrote:PC gamers. Hardware is evolving and Fermi has so much power that it can run circles around current gen consoles.


You don't need Fermi for that. The previous generation of GPUs on the PC did the same. The gap is increasing though now that Intel's i7 CPUs are out, AMD are working on a six core CPU (I think I read Intel are working on an 8 core CPU), ATI's 58XX and 5970 series, DDR3 as mainstay memory (DDR5 on many of ATI's GPUs), Nvidia's upcoming Fermi line, etc.

Once new consoles are designed and released they may close the gap depending on what sort of price tag and capabilities the developers are looking for (ex. the Wii clearly does not push up-to-date hardware standards). Yet even then by the time the development cycle is complete there will likely be new and faster hardware that can do more available making the consoles somewhat obsolete by the time they hit retail (non-custom made PCs tend to suffer from this as well). It seems to be a cyclical event where every few years (in this case apparently more than just a few years) consoles make a big leap closing the gap with PCs, only to be outpaced once more. Rinse and repeat.
I once read back in the day that the 8800gtx was a better GPU when released than either of the console GPUs. Fermi now just looks brutally fast (no word on clock speeds though) and I hear that some dudes oc'd an i9 to 6.4ghz!

It's embarrassing when comparing the console tech to whats on the PC side but because everyone is specializing in console development then there isnt a really high bar and so its not utilizing all the features. There is no point in having all this hardware unless you're one of the few thousand people who play at mental resolutions or use the raw horsepower for non-gaming purposes, smthg nvidia seems to be moving towards to judging by how this generations architecture is being marketed.

I would love to see sum1 make a game around a high spec machine but tht will never happen as they would effectively be limiting their products to probably thousands instead of millions. Point here is that unfortunately consoles have to advance in the hardware department in order for us to see better looking games/animations, better physics, AI etc in general as they are the LCD. Anyways, aren't you guys tired of the crap resolutions coupled with the non-existent AA in console games? I usually take out my contacts to play because with them on the games (majority at least) are painful to look at.


Sidetracking a little bit here but whatever. Have any of you seen the new asus mobo, the rampage extreme 3? My god if it was possible I would sleep with it 1-on-1 or bring it in for some threesome action. The features are as sick as it looks too. + is there a release date/pricing on the i9's or is it still all this Q1 bs from intel?
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Postby quintus » 18 Jan 2010, 17:15

All the discussion has been about hardware but i think that the main issue for the next gen has to be regarding Live and PSN accounts. A lot of time has gone into Gamerscores and trophies not to mention money on downloads. the next consoles have to be able to integrate seamlessly the existing accounts and purchases. If the big 3 don't want to do this, for whatever reason, then they will wait until the majority stop caring about their accounts before launching the next gen
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Postby svd_grasshopper » 18 Jan 2010, 17:29

personally, i wouldnt want to carry my gamer score or trophies over to the next console.

it should start afresh.

im already way behind most folk (level 8 gamer on ps3) so why would i want to start on a deficit on ps4?!

especially all the lame c**ts that have boosted their score by hacks and rented crap games to whore out.

booting a new console and already being a level 8 gamer would seem crap to me. its like putting an old stinking rug inside your brand new car. no thanks!
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